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Europa-List :: Europa-List: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure

Anonymous — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:55:08 +0300

Author: terrys at cisco.com
Subject: Europa-List: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:55 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Terry Seaver (terrys)" <terrys@cisco.com>

Hi Steve,

Before hacking up a module just make sure you don't have intermittent
wires to the module. On both our plane (912S) and another 912S that we
know of there were wires broken at the connectors but held in contact by
the insulation (most of the time).
We could not find the break with a volt meter, but just ran the engine
with the cowl off and had someone wiggle/pull on the wires one at a time
to see if it effected the engine operation (please stay clear of the
prop).

Just a thought,
Terry Seaver
A135/N135TD

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Europa-List :: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure

steve v. — Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:29:16 +0300

Author: steve v.
Subject: Magneto/Ign. mod. Failure
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:29 pm (GMT -5)

hi,
a freind of mine with a new 912S on its first hour of flight has had a
magneto / ignition module failure, it is the lower of the two labeled
module "B", i have lent him mine so that he can complete the test flying
of the zenair, as the motor is about 2 years old, rotax will not
honor the warranty, anyone come across this and is it common?
i will be taking a hacksaw and avo to the module should he
not get anywhere with Rotax,

steve #573

Europa-List :: Europa-List: Re: EGT Probes

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:27:11 +0300

Author: ira.rampil at gmail.com
Subject: Europa-List: Re: EGT Probes
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 1:27 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "rampil" <ira.rampil@gmail.com>

Troy,

My old and new exhausts both have uniform diameter and thickness
from the block flange to the ball joint. The only care was in siting
the weld-on bung so that the probe, sticking out 4 inches or so
do not obstruct access to the flange nuts or fitting the cowl back on.
In my new exhaust system, I have EGTs on all 4 cylinders.

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Ira N224XS

Read this topic online here:

http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=200959#200959

Europa-List :: Europa-List: EGT Probes

europaman — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:10:18 +0300

Author: europaman
Subject: Europa-List: EGT Probes
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 12:10 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: Troy Maynor <wingnut54@charter.net>

The Rotax manual specifies 2.75" from the flange to the mount point of the EGT probes. Is it a coincidence this centers right on the thick band part of the pipes where they are welded together or are these thicker parts for drilling and tapping? I have the kind that mount with clamps.
Troy Maynor

Europa-List :: RE: Torque Tube Clamp

PATRICK TUNNEY — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:48:24 +0300

Author: PATRICK TUNNEY
Subject: RE: Torque Tube Clamp
Posted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 4:48 am (GMT -5)

Hi Steve

The pins have been reduced in length and are now set in a spot faced recess machined in to the bore of the clamps.

If you look on the website there is a description of how the clamp works.

Regards

Pat

Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders

Frans Veldman — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:13:47 +0300

Author: Frans Veldman
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 5:13 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: Frans Veldman <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>

Gary Leinberger wrote:

Quote:

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gary Leinberger" <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu>

Are these transponders legal in the U.S.

I don't know, but here in the Netherlands mode S is mandatory. BTW, If
anyone is interested in my old King mode C transponder just let me know.

Frans

Europa-List :: RE: Torque Tube Clamp

steve v. — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:14:44 +0300

Author: steve v.
Subject: RE: Torque Tube Clamp
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:14 pm (GMT -5)

hi Pat,
have you done away with the four pins or are they obscured by the clamps?

steve #573

Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders

Anonymous — Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:03:30 +0300

Author: Gary.Leinberger at mil...
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 4:03 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Gary Leinberger" <Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu>

Are these transponders legal in the U.S.?

Gary Leinberger
A237

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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria

steve v. — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:19:10 +0300

Author: steve v.
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 3:19 pm (GMT -5)

Very sad news, i hope Jos makes a speedy recovery and wish him all the very best,

steve.

Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:50:45 +0300

Author: nwcmc at tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 1:50 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Frans

Thanks for the info. As I require a rack mounted unit I will have a look
at the VT-02 version of the Mode Sierra transponder.

Regards

Nigel

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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders

Frans Veldman — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:53:34 +0300

Author: Frans Veldman
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:53 am (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: Frans Veldman <frans@paardnatuurlijk.nl>

nigel charles wrote:

Quote:

Hi Hans

I am looking at purchasing the Filser transponder. Please can you
explain further or give me a link for the information.

I received this AD as well for my Filser equipped Cessna, and it just
means that I'm grounded as transponders are mandatory here (unless you
stay in class G, below 1200ft.)

According to the maintenance guys they have had endless problems with
these transponders. Mine also fails some test (sideband suppression).
After repair/upgrade by Filser these transponders often turn out worse
than they were before the fix. For this reason the avionics company is
going to return all transponders still within the warranty period and
replace them by something else.

I planned to put a Filser in my Europa as well, but I now changed my
mind. Take a look at this one:
http://www.mode-sierra.com/pdf-files/productomschrijving%20VT-01.pdf

Only 750 grams, and the nice part is that you can split the unit into a
small control unit and the main unit. The control unit goes into the
instrument panel, and the main unit in the tail. For the 914/cs-prop
people this gives a better weight distribution, and, more importantly,
this means that you can connect the antenna directly to the unit. No
more heavy cables, cable losses, etc.

For the rest it has about the same features as the Filser, and the price
is also about the same.

Frans

Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:01:42 +0300

Author: nwcmc at tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:01 am (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "nigel charles" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>

Hi Hans

I am looking at purchasing the Filser transponder. Please can you
explain further or give me a link for the information.

Regards

Nigel Charles

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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders

hans siedsma — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:31:16 +0300

Author: hans siedsma
Subject: Europa-List: Mode S transponders
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:31 am (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Hans Siedsma" <H.Siedsma@inter.nl.net>

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Van: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com]Namens nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk
Verzonden: zaterdag 23 augustus 2008 23:32
Aan: europa-list@matronics.com
Onderwerp: RE: Europa-List: Mode S transponders

I just received the Airworthiness Directive AD 2008-0158 \date 21 Aug. according the S transponders Filser Type TRT 600 and TRT 800. Does not look to good. At least do not operate the aircraft in airspace where a transponder is required etc.....
Hans

Europa-List message posted by: "nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk" <nwcmc@tiscali.co.uk>

Thanks for all the inputs on transponder selection. I was surprised to
hear that it was possible to fit the Garmin 328as it is significantly
longer than a Garmin/Apollo SL40 radio which only just fits. I guess
the extra length must all be in the connector.

Having trawled the net for more info I have come to a similar
conclusion to Rowland. The points which I found to be significant were
as follows:

1. The Garmin 328 is a tight fit and is by far the heaviest and is
more limited in its capabilities
2. The Trig and the Filser are both much lighter with the Filser
including the encoder which saves even more weight and is simpler to
connect up.
3. The Filser is the cheapest of those available that fit in the
normal avionics stack.
4. The Filser offers a flip/flop type code selection like most radios.
5. The Garmin is the only one to offer dedicated number buttons for
entering codes. We use this way of inputting codes in our airliner
transponders and it is by far the easiest.
6. The power output is a little confusing. Most of them offer 250W
output from the set with an estimated 125W at the antenna. Some
manufacturers quote set power and others antenna power.
7. The Becker is significantly more expensive than the rest and seems
to offer no advantages to justify the extra price.

Quote:

From the above, on balance the Filser seems to be the most suitable

for my requirements.

Regards

Nigel Charles

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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:11:02 +0300

Author: rick at amimotormanage...
Subject: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 10:11 am (GMT -5)

Hi Guys

Don't forget the pre looped single bungees made up from the original bungee cord! You put on as many as you like depending on the tension you require. If it's too loose put another on. Easy peasy.

My system has been on for 200 hours or so with absolutely no problems at the bumpiest, short (300m) strip in the universe.

Rick Morris

Tri G-RIKS

From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Buckley
Sent: 25 August 2008 20:35
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..

The combination spring / bungee approach sounds like a great solution. Can't agree about the weight though. Our group converted out mono to a trike, adding 23 pounds / 10kg. A Hoffmann C/S prop added another 5 kg ( over a warp drive).

Dave

On 25/08/2008, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com (kheindl@msn.com)> wrote:

Quote:

Kevin,

The springs didn't work for me. My bungee had been mounted for about 7 years (never gave any trouble) it seemed an excellent idea to switch to the springs.
It really dpends which fields you are operating from. I am based at a fairly bumpy grass field, and the springs turn the aircraft into a bucking bronco. Especially on landing, unless you push the stick forward,
the nose can oscillate to the point where control could be lost by an inexperienced pilot.
A bungee is far better for absorbing shock and much more forgiving.
So I recently changed back, but had a problem with getting the bungee as tight as I had before, and I now have what to me is the ideal solution: a spring on one side and a bungee on the other side, plus the safety cable. I should mention one incident with the new bungee, where the safety cable cut through two strands of the bungee, with the safety cable sving me from a prop strike. So now I have all the safety plus the comfort.
If you are not operating on rough terrain, then you shouldn't have to worry with the springs.

Regarding mono versus trigear, someone mentioned the better cruise performance of the mono. Perhaps there is a small advantage but note that it was a trigear that has flown around the world a couple of times, with very economical fuel consumption and a basic 912. It also made more 'local' flights from CA to Alaska and the Bahamas.
The weight advantage is also theoretical. I noticed that some of the more recent monos came in with a higher weight than my tri.

Karl

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From: ksiggery@mac.com (ksiggery@mac.com)
To: europa-list@matronics.com (europa-list@matronics.com)
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:17:09 +0100

--> Europa-List message posted by: Kevin Siggery <ksiggery@mac.com (ksiggery@mac.com)>

kind of a corollary to the question; assuming you then have a tri-gear
(as we do; G-ROOV) what is the opinion of people when considering the
bungee nosewheel system compared to the spring system? (we have a
bungee but are thinking of changing).

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Europa-List :: Europa-List: Wishes from Jos

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:57:03 +0300

Author: raimo.toivio at rwm.fi
Subject: Europa-List: Wishes from Jos
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 8:57 am (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>

All

Our brave pilot from Wel�s hospital Austria called me few seconds ago.
He beg me to tell wishes from him to all of you.
He has got about hundred SMS full of warm hugs with speedy recovery wishes etc.
He said he is happy without his plane because it is much easier to fly now.
He is going to fly round the ball using our Europas P2 seats.
Let�s make it happen.

He also said that he is happy it was not just an ordinary car accident.
In that case he would be alone now but after plane accident he has noticed he has so many good friends.
It was hard to see me pics where flames eat OH-registered plane but he said "no problem - it was well insuranced"!

Regards, Raimo
OH-XRT

Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge

ptag.dev — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:11:05 +0300

Author: ptag.dev
Subject: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge
Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 2:11 am (GMT -5)

Hi! William/all
I must concur with your statement, I can’t keep my nose out any longer !
I built G-PTAG as a convertible since folks advised that to learn I would need the “TRAINER Wheel” in the first instance and after 600 hours+ I am content to leave it in that configuration. Although anyone who would prefer the mono rig will have it all available when the a/c is up for sale. I have just flown all over Europe alongside and behind Ivor Phillips’ G-IVER and at distance you don’t see the legs in the flight profile. At Mariehamn (Finland) we were confronted with 90 deg cross winds gusting 25-28kts with tree rotor effect making me wonder why I was there until I realized Ivor was behind in his new ship on comparatively low hours. We both handled it OK because the trike has differential braking to assist the rudder with direction control. On departure from the same airfield I heard the tower call gusting 35 kts.
This is not a boast just facts towards the debate. I have witnessed too many mono ground loops for me to ever consider myself competent on mono wheels, why risk your hard earned savings ?
No offence to the many happy and very competent mono fliers.
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG

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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge

paul.the.aviator@gmail.co — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:14:10 +0300

Author: paul.the.aviator@gmail.co
Subject: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:14 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Paul McAllister" <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>

Hi Dave,

I am just curious, was the 23 lbs increase including the fairings ?
Would you by chance have used magnesium wheels ?

Regards,

Paul McAllister

N378PJ

Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria

Fred Klein — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:11:13 +0300

Author: Fred Klein
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:11 pm (GMT -5)

According to Mr. Google, the complete address for Jos's hospital is:

General Hospital Wels
Grieskirchnerstra�e 42,
A-4600, Wels ,Austria

Sigh,

Fred
A194

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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge

kbcarp — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:09:42 +0300

Author: kbcarp
Subject: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 9:09 pm (GMT -5)

I'll run this thread a bit longer by adding that I have a mono at 490 hours. I originally learned to fly in a J 3 cub and Champ...had about 600 hours in tail
draggers when flew the Europa. It was no problem on grass from the first flight. early landings on hard surface had a few minor swerves, nothing exciting. I have a glider rating and that helps you focus on keeping it straight as the wing tips side to side. The mono is what makes the europa unique with a sassy look that appeals to me. I think the average pilot could handle it with checkout, especially if having previous taildragger time. The mono is a pain when you need to pull the wings out for inspection or do retract tests at annual. I need to tighten the bungee and it is the dickens to get to. If I had it all to do over, I would opt for the wider body and high top and Bob Berbees' conventional gear. Been flying a Tiger Moth lately and it is also a real challange to land, especially in a crosswind. The Europa has given me some good experience.
Ken carpenter N9XS Mono 914
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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge

kheindl — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:22:26 +0300

Author: kheindl
Subject: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Ge
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:22 pm (GMT -5)

Dave,

I know, that a given Europa will weigh more with the trigear, but all Europas differ greatly in overall weight, depending on equipment and options, the original Classics being the lightest.

Karl

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:35:12 +0200
From: wooburnaviation@googlemail.com
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose?Mono or Tri-Gear, what to choose...further question..

The combination spring / bungee approach sounds like a great solution. Can't agree about the weight though. Our group converted out mono to a trike, adding 23 pounds / 10kg. A Hoffmann C/S prop added another 5 kg ( over a warp drive).

Dave

On 25/08/2008, Karl Heindl <kheindl@msn.com (kheindl@msn.com)> wrote: [quote] Kevin,

The springs didn't work for me. My bungee had been mounted for about 7 years (never gave any trouble) it seemed an excellent idea to switch to the springs.
It really dpends which fields you are operating from. I am based at a fairly bumpy grass field, and the springs turn the aircraft into a bucking bronco. Especially on landing, unless you push the stick forward,
the nose can oscillate to the point where control could be lost by an inexperienced pilot.
A bungee is far better for absorbing shock and much more forgiving.
So I recently changed back, but had a problem with getting the bungee as tight as I had before, and I now have what to me is the ideal solution: a spring on one side and a bungee on the other side, plus the safety cable. I should mention one incident with the new bungee, where the safety cable cut through two strands of the bungee, with the safety cable sving me from a prop strike. So now I have all the safety plus the comfort.
If you are not operating on rough terrain, then you shouldn't have to worry with the springs.

Regarding mono versus trigear, someone mentioned the better cruise performance of the mono. Perhaps there is a small advantage but note that it was a trigear that has flown around the world a couple of times, with very economical fuel consumption and a basic 912. It also made more 'local' flights from CA to Alaska and the Bahamas.
The weight advantage is also theoretical. I noticed that some of the more recent monos came in with a higher weight than my tri.

Karl

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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria

Anonymous — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:17:54 +0300

Author: grahamsingleton at bti...
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 6:17 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>

Raimo
I am very sad to hear your news about Jos. If you speak to him before I
do please give him my best wishes. Please publish the hospital address.
When I was in hospital the "get well" cards around my bed from all over
the world gave me a real lift.
Graham

Raimo Toivio wrote:

Quote:

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>

All

I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22. August.
It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital Wells city.
I spoke with him today and this is what he told:
Raimo Toivio, Finland
OH-XRT

Europa-List :: Europa-List: Mono vs. Tri-gear

Rocketman — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:47:18 +0300

Author: Rocketman
Subject: Europa-List: Mono vs. Tri-gear
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:47 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: Jeff B <topglock@cox.net>

Erich, please don't take my story as disparaging the mono. I just
didn't want the handling I experienced in the plane I took the ride in.
The mono is a fine aircraft for those who want a tail dragger. I just
prefer the trike. Different strokes and all...

Jeff

Erich Trombley wrote:

Quote:

OOPS. I hit the send key instead of spell check.

Jeff, wrote,

"I took a ride with John Hurst, who only had a mono to demonstrate.
After watching an
experienced pilot, like John, handle the mono on concrete, I quickly
made the decision to go Tri-gear. I've never regretted that decision."

Jeff, I am happy for you that you chose the join the Europa community
with Baby Blue. The Europa is a great plane; mono or Tri-gear. I only
wish that the mono wasn't disparaged in the process of making a case for
the Tri-gear. As a mono pilot who has only flow his plane off of hard
surfaces (asphalt or concrete) for the last 500 hours I do realize that
different skills are necessary to handle the mono. I also recognize the
fact that these skill can be learned with the aid of competent flight
instruction. I had zero tailwheel time when I transitioned into the
Europa. With a couple of hours (literally two hours) of training by Bob
Lindsay, my flight instructor transitioned into the Europa. Of
course has many hundred of hours of tailwheel time and did not find the
Europa difficult to handle. He did note that it was different than
other tailwheel aircraft that he had flown. My flight instructor then
set out to transition train my in my Europa. With the requisite 10
hours of dual complete I received my tailwheel endorsement and haven't
looked back.

The mono is a great plane. I do have to use my feet from the moment I
start the plane until the moment I shut it down. I have happy dancing
feet. This is not a bad thing, it is just what is required. Like any
tailwheel aircraft you have to keep the thing going straight.
Sloppy ground handling is not tolerated. I find the mono a joy to fly,
all aspects of it.

In closing, I am happy for any one to join the Europa family with either
a mono or a Tri-gear. Please do not disparage the mono to make a case
for the Tri-gear. Remember there are a lot of mono pilots out their
that love their Europa as-is and have no intention of changing the
configuration of their bird.

Kind regards,

Erich Trombley
N28ET Classic Mono 914

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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria

rlborger — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:28:16 +0300

Author: rlborger
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:28 pm (GMT -5)

Raimo,

I am having issues with overseas SMS. Please pass along the following message for me:

Jos,

We are very sorry to hear of your accident. You will be in our prayers for a speedy recovery. Remember, there will always be a seat for you in any aircraft I have.

Get well soon.
Bob & Maureen Borger

Thanks,
Bob

On Aug 25, 2008, at 3:15 PM, Raimo Toivio wrote:
[quote]Bob B,

Address:

Wels�s Hospital
Wels
Austria

Phone number (I got a permission to tell it):

Notice: he is not able to talk much!
He will be happy to receive some SMS.

+ 358 - 40 - 500 7853

Raimo
OH-XRT

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Kit#A221 N914XL Getting close to the end. Soon working on the hardest part, finishing. Hope to fly by August '07.
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Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria

gregf — Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:19:56 +0300

Author: gregf
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 5:19 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Greg Fuchs " <gregoryf.flyboy@comcast.net>

Poor Jos,

My heart goes out to you.
All that work and very little time for a payoff. I hope you have a speedy
recovery.
My best wishes to you in the hospital and when you get back.

Greg Fuchs

On Behalf Of Raimo Toivio

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>

All

I sadly report Europa accident in Austria which happened last Friday 22.
August.
It was Jos Okhuissen with his Europa OH-XJO. Jos is in the hospital Wells
city.
I spoke with him today and this is what he told:

Soon after take off from the Well�s airport he adjusted his new prop for
cruise settings.
Suddenly it feathered or even reversed.
He made immediately forced landing, managed to avoid power lines but hit one
tree.
He was able to escape from the wreck just before it catched fire.
He suffers serious injuries but will survive.

Jos stated strongly there is nothing from with Europa and it�s design - it
is a wonderful plane to fly.
I promised my P2 seat will be always reserved for Jos if he ever likes to
come and fly in future.
I think there are hundreds of free P2 seats around the world for Jos.
Let�s all give him warm thoughts.

He is the braviest Man I know.

http://www.feuerwehr-marchtrenk.at/homepage/scripts/detail.php?ereignis_pk=9
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Raimo Toivio, Finland
OH-XRT
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Europa A050 Tri-Gear Short Wing
Intended Fit: Rotax 914

Europa-List :: RE: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria

Anonymous — Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:29:34 +0300

Author: raimo.toivio at rwm.fi
Subject: Europa-List: Europa Accident in Austria
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 3:29 pm (GMT -5)

--> Europa-List message posted by: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>

Alan & Kate

I told him and got a message back "I will VERY surely come to Florida" !

Wishes, Raimo
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